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MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

Posted on: November 10, 2010 12:02 pm
Edited on: November 15, 2010 9:46 am
 
The major baseball awards will be announced next week, and the staff at MLB Facts and Rumors is making our choices this week. Today, David, Evan and Trent name their Manager of the Year selections. As with the BBWAA awards, a first-place vote is worth seven points, second place four, third place three, fourth place two and fifth place one.

While the National League award is for the best pitcher in the league, the American League vote seems to be a referendum on the BBWAA and its acceptance of newer statistics and abandoning the win as its basis for measuring a pitcher's success.

AMERICAN LEAGUE CY YOUNG AWARD

Felix Hernandez David Andriesen
1. Felix Hernandez, SEA
2. David Price, TB
3. CC Sabathia, NYY
4. Jon Lester, BOS
5. Jered Weaver, LAA

Some people will knock Hernandez for his team’s offensive futility, but I won’t. And if you take wins out of the discussion, he wins easily. Price edges Sabathia with an ERA nearly half a point better. If it seems strange Cliff Lee isn’t in this discussion, keep in mind he missed the first month of the season.

Evan Brunell
1. SP Felix Hernandez, SEA
2. SP CC Sabathia, NYY
3. SP Francisco Liriano, MIN
4. SP Jon Lester, BOS
5. SP David Price, TB

Lee stays off this ballot because in his time in Texas, he wasn't quite Cy Young-worthy as compared to full seasons of the above. Hernandez was otherworldly, but let down by one of baseball's worst offenses in history. With the run support of the Yankees, Hernandez very well could have reached 25 wins.

C. Trent Rosecrans
1. Felix Hernandez, SEA
2. David Price, TB
3. Francisco Liriano, MIN
4. CC Sabathia, NY
5. Cliff Lee, SEA/TEX

I think enough has been said about the Hernandez vs. the world, but I'm not sure Price or Liriano have quite gotten the credit they deserve. So many people have set it up as Hernandez vs. Sabathia, and I'm not so sure that's the right question.

NATIONAL LEAGUE CY YOUNG AWARD

Roy Halladay David Andriesen
1. Roy Halladay, PHI
2. Adam Wainwright, STL
3. Josh Johnson, FLA
4. Ubaldo Jimenez, COL
5. Tim Hudson, ATL

This one is really close, but I’m letting Halladay’s perfect game and NL lead in innings pitched put him ahead of Wainwright, who was second in the NL in wins and ERA. Jimenez came back to earth after his ridiculous first half, as did Johnson, who missed the last month but still finished with the ERA title.

Evan Brunell
1. SP Roy Halladay, PHI
2. SP Adam Wainwright, STL
3. SP Josh Johnson, FLA
4. SP Ubaldo Jimenez, COL
5. SP Tim Hudson, ATL

Halladay got more than he bargained for with Adam Wainwright neck-and-neck for the Cy race, but Halladay gets the nod due to innings pitched and xFIP, which clearly shows that Halladay was the better pitcher. His domination is evident to all.

C. Trent Rosecrans
1. Roy Halladay, PHI
2. Adam Wainwright, STL
3. Josh Johnson, FLA
4. Ubaldo Jimenez, COL
5. Tim Lincecum, SF

It seems to be hard to believe that Halladay didn't live up to expectations -- and considering some expected him to win 30 games, he didn't live up to the highest of expectation. But he still had an amazing season and should win this one going away against some pretty good competition. Still, the fact that Halladay did what he was able to do in a bandbox of a ballpark, it's quite impressive. Kind of like the Rookie of the Year, give me any of these guys in a Game 1 and I feel pretty good.

MLB Facts and Rumors AL Cy Young Award
It's at least a runaway here, as Felix Hernandez gets the nod, making stat-heads happy everywhere. CC Sabathia and David Price tie for what Ricky Bobby would call "first loser." I still have enough faith in the BBWAA that it'll get this one right, despite so many doubters.

MLB Facts and Rumors NL Cy Young Award
The voting isn't as close as the race, but Roy Halladay is the unanimous winner. Expect the real vote to be similar.

-- C. Trent Rosecrans

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Comments

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2010 3:27 pm
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

I'm not sure how wins can be ignored. That's the object of the starting pitcher's job: try to secure wins, whatever the situation is. Where I have a problem with Hernandez is that Cliff Lee had something like an 8-2 record in his time as an M this year, with the same Mariner's lineup behind him that Hernadez could barely secure a winning record this season.

Felix just found a way to lose. When he got 2 runs he gave up 3. When he got 1 he gave up 2. I like guys who can smell the win and do whatever it takes to get it. Not guys who blame the record on the offense. If he pitched in NY with all that run support he would also be pitching with all that pressure. He would also have a HIGHER era because you dont pitch the same in a 0-0 game as you do in a 5-0 game. He would also be pitching in more of a hitters ballpark in the strongest division in baseball.



Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: November 17, 2010 8:26 am
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

The one thing not mentioned other than the obvious stats is "The East Coast Bias". Sabathia takes the prize this year as writers on the West and Central U.S. give votes to future Yankee Cliff Lee. 
I hate the Yankees. 



Since: Nov 2, 2010
Posted on: November 17, 2010 2:00 am
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

I'm not sure how wins can be ignored. That's the object of the starting pitcher's job: try to secure wins, whatever the situation is. Where I have a problem with Hernandez is that Cliff Lee had something like an 8-2 record in his time as an M this year, with the same Mariner's lineup behind him that Hernadez could barely secure a winning record this season.



Since: May 22, 2010
Posted on: November 17, 2010 1:22 am
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

Wins should almost be ignored anyways. Wins and losses doesnt always give you an idea of how good the pitcher was, It just means he had a team that gave him run support. Many pitchers in the history of this game have had unimpressive seasons and walked away with good and even great records. Felix only lost 2 more games then the "Unannimous" NL cy young winner Roy Halladay. And Halladay has one of the best offences in the game today...Felix had one of the worst in the history of the game. You give Halladay, CC, Price, or any of the other big name pitchers the amount of run support Felix got and there records would be horrible. Felix is the best pitcher in the MLB...Not just the AL. If he doesnt win, itll be just as ignorant as giving Jeter a gold glove this year.



Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2010 6:56 pm
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

Hernandez should be a runaway.  The award is for the league's outstanding pitcher.  He was better than the field, by a long shot.  Not his fault the M's were a triple-A offensive team.   Sabathia doesn't belong in the discussion at all.  If you take out wins (the most over-rated stat since the save), his ERA, WHIP, K's/9, K's/BB are all worse than most of the field.  He should (won't) be the MVP, but not the Cy Young.

Should shake out:

1) Hernandez, 2) Price, 3) Lester, 4) Lee, 5) Sabathia



Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2010 12:55 pm
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

Ok so you're saying that from now on the ERA leader will win

That's not at all what is being said. The article is saying the pitcher with the overall better numbers should win the award.

or a 17 winner with a 2.75 ERA will win over a 21 game winner with a 3.10 ERA.

That should never be then case...good thing this year this scenario you painted out dose not exist this year as Felix Hernandez has an ERA almostr a full run better than CC. Not to mention Felix trumps CC in just about every other pitching stat (K, BB, Hits, WHIP ect...)

So if that's all going to be the norm from now on why won't you ever have a player that doesn't hit HR win the MVP (I know Ichiro did it, but only once, not as a norm) 

The norm being the best pitcher winning the award that symbolizes who the best pithcer is? Your not making sense. 

The pitchers are there to win games, period, not keep track of how many runs they give up, but to win games

No doubt, but the award is given to the best pitcher not the pitcher with the most wins. To be considered the best pitcher you must take all aspects of pitching into account. ERA, BB, Hits, K's, WHIP, INN, CG, SHO.

While Hernandez is an outstanding pitcher you can't overlook the wins column on thestat sheet.  If you do, do it consistantly and not just a year or two

Again, I am not sure what you mean...it has been done before...last year for starters but if you look back at the award you will see closers have won and pitchers who have not lead the league in wins as well.

 



Since: Apr 15, 2009
Posted on: November 15, 2010 2:30 pm
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

How is it that Francisco Liriano is in the Cy Young talk, but Justin Verlander isn't?

Liriano was 14-10, 3.62 ERA, 191.2 IP, 201 Ks, O CG
Verlander was 18-9, 3.37 ERA, 224.1 IP, 219 Ks, 4 CG



Since: Sep 5, 2008
Posted on: November 10, 2010 5:01 pm
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

Ok so you're saying that from now on the ERA leader will win, or a 17 winner with a 2.75 ERA will win over a 21 game winner with a 3.10 ERA.  So if that's all going to be the norm from now on why won't you ever have a player that doesn't hit HR win the MVP (I know Ichiro did it, but only once, not as a norm)  The pitchers are there to win games, period, not keep track of how many runs they give up, but to win games.  While Hernandez is an outstanding pitcher you can't overlook the wins column on thestat sheet.  If you do, do it consistantly and not just a year or two.  20 win seasons are few a far between and shouldn't be overlooked.



Since: Jul 1, 2010
Posted on: November 10, 2010 4:16 pm
 

MLB Facts & Rumors Cy Young Awards

Put wins aside and he gets it hands down no competition nobody comes close to his numbers. Put any top pitcher in that line up and tell me they would of won 17+ games. To know that if you gave up 1 run it's over and your team will not score 2 to get you a win has to put a lot of pressure on a pitcher. Lead or no lead as the game went on Felix was untouchable so having nice run support would of had him win 20 games easily but will see who wins it if they really focus on the wins he wont obviously lol  and I say Price wins it over CC.


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